To Americans

This article focus on Americans, but for you foreign things, its okay if you have an opinion too!
The USA needs to change to more socialist ideas, we need USRA or United Socialist Repbulic of America! We are not saying we have mayday parades in Washington or have the tyranny of the USSR but simply more ideas that elimante our $14 trillion in debt to various nations.
Our fist step is to cut back on military size and spending or in American terms that means to stop being the POLICE FORCE OF THE WORLD!!! And stop funding the UN. Why we still have it is beyond us. We should reform health care system, and maybe put our growing number of prisoners to use.

With healthcare we thought that if we socialize healthcare system we might be able to save some more people or possibly save money too. What we mean about saving people is not exactly their lives at the hospital but their financial lives. Come on, its grossly overpriced now, not just surgeries, but little things like flu shots and check ups. Things like breaking a arm now costs way too much. All because of our current system. Sorry for those who don't know exactly what our financial system in the healthcare system,I'm not good at explaining it. its complicated and very stupid. In basic form, you pay for the guy who couldn't pay for himself.
What we think we should do is give healthcare based on a two things... your lifestyle... your age.
We're sorry grandma, but if you smoke and get cancer, your denied healthcare, we will put in a old home but no treatment for cancer.
but if little johnny aged 15 gets cancer, and he is clean of drugs.... he gets the care. Its a little invasive of your privacy but to fully reform our government we need to sacrifice some things to get there.

To wrap this up quickly cause we are sure no one cares to read all of this, or any more of my ideas
We think that we need a total reform in our government, over time change foreign polices, domestic polices and so on. We have so many prisoners we should use them, work camps for crap jobs that no one wants to do. That is for felonies by the way. And we need to rethink our anti drug efforts, cause its doing an awful job. Basically, a socialist government can get us out and keep the union intact, all of this can happen with good leaders, and loyal people. We need to rethink America, cause the way we see it, its still in a Cold War, its still fuming over the Civil War, it learned from World War II, but only how to fight, not the lessons it was supposed to teach us. In our eyes, we are letting religion, racism, ignorance take us over, and meanwhile, corrupt officials take office and lie to us everyday. We need to change, and it starts with an opinion, and another, and someone to actually do something about it.
Who here wants to change?
~ Human life is liquid, but a good idea is solid ~

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    i don't think you're fully grasping the concepts you're putting out there and i don't think you're understanding fully what you're saying. so i'm gonna just break it down and address what you're saying.
    -First off, yes, we need major cuts in military spending. it's apparent and obviously unneeded to a certain degree. our military is powerful enough as is and is quite possibly the most powerful the world has ever seen. that being said we can relax the spending enough to start reducing debt but must make sure we maintain progress in the systems we need to maintain/ improve. (missile defense, etc)
    -The UN however is something that must be maintained. it's the peace keeper and the strongest deterrent of all out war that we can provide today. by having this we are able to help keep the governments in line and unite the world in discussion rather than rely on show of force. and from an environmental perspective we are able to study human impact and ways to prevent eventual global problems (extinction rates, hunger, habitat loss, climate change, pollution, etc.) that would otherwise be crippling to the globe for the entire human race (and all things living). the UN is much to important for us to disband and without cooperation from nations we are going to force ourselves into disaster.
    -Health care is a bitch and i don't feel like talking about it... but yea we need to figure something better out. we have to much knowledge to allow people to die of simple illnesses or be denied because they don't have the right coverage.
    -Put prison populations to work? how bout not sending people to jail for minor and/or non violent crimes such as weed, illegal immigration. i think they do need to be utilized some how but must be fairly compensated for the work and given human conditions to work in. put that with education in place and then it's realistic. however because it's prison people view them differently and don't understand that reform is needed. prison now days turns harden criminals into even harder ones and harmless men into dangerous men. it's a failure and shamefully poor in keeping people out of jails. (corporate for profit prisions don't help much either. i don't think they do much and i feel people who are brought into them are almost certainly doomed to return.)

    -the healthcare reform worked well in MA and was originally established by Gov Mitt Romney. It helps save the lives of the working poor who would be destroyed by simple illnesses other wise. i get where you're coming from but when it comes down to it private insurance companies will put the screws on anyone they can. overall the system in place may cost a bit more for those earning more but remember it's not only in its beginning stages and needs to be given a chance to be honed before it's said it won't work, but it's also ment to help the poor who may be otherwise deemed "uninsurable" due to other factors outside of their "lifestyle" as you say. (poverty areas are often given higher risks due to living conditions they can't change. insurance companies say higher risk mean higher rates and can charge them more than they can realistically afford/ no insure them)

    -work camps= labor camps= hitler type idea= you're an idiot for thinking they'll be safe= easily corrupted= find a different way because this will not work the way you plan.
    -government obviously needs to be reformed, not socialized
    -I'm in complete agreement with the idea that opinions must change. but aside from that and military spending that's about it. socializing everything leaves to much room for the corrupt in an already corrupt government. what needs to change is the way people are elected. take money out of politics and you don't get only rich people obtaining high offices. eliminate cooperate donations and PR campaigns won't cover political blunders/greed as well as reduce corporate influence. set election spending limits so it's the message and not the money that wins you the people. prevent lobbying to defeat people looking at money as an incentive over the people. and get people elected who actually care about the people rather than make claims they later turn on.
    Personally i think the best way to remove greed from congress and politics is to eliminate the perks of being a law maker. if in congress or in the senate they should be paid enough to live on (10% more than the amount deemed to be the minimal about a single person can survive on in the US) they should have to have government funded apartments they can be given lodging near senate for personal use during time of service. (Again low income standards, they are a single person and can live on the low salaries with provided low income housing. they keep their old houses but use these when in DC. If they have family staying with them full time as well then appropriate accommodations are made for family size/ support.) on government business they may only travel business class and private travel is only acceptable in extreme cases or must be paid for out of pocket (extreme meaning emergency meetings/ diplomatic missions. campaign travel can be privately funded but only in terms of travel. any money spent on campaign from private funds must show donor and is very limited on amount. the president is obviously in higher need of travel/ safety so it must be compensated for when it comes to private travel in his/her case. however as president personal spending is all out of pocket, excluding travel (for safety) and travel lodging (minimal housing but high for safety requirements. can not exceed limits on spending). income wil be higher as president but with held until end of the serving term, this ensures that money is not an incentive for office and requires that they focus on the job rather than money.

    basically what i'm saying is that opinions need to change but not in the dramatic way you suggest as a nation and it's laws. rather it should be a change in the way the government is actually running and in the way people view what it does. by reducing benefits and temptations from politics on what is acceptable in office, as well as removing the incentive to cheat the system for personal benefit/political growth, you can ensure that those elected are there for the purpose of the people they represent and not the gains it offers. i understand that most people will argue against this claiming that it will impeded on their rights but i don't believe so. these people have the right to leave office if they so choose and are still doing what they want. the incentive to do so however is more based on doing what is right by the people and the constitution than by personal gains.
    What i think i'm trying to get at is this. socialize the governments elected officials who are voluntarily choosing to work for the people, who in turn support them and allow them to make the laws. this will free the people they govern to act independently and ensure government has no incentive to work for the donors with the most cash. the supreme court will be able to make sure laws are just and constitutional eliminating the dangers on total socialism and the president will be freed up from constant campaigning to work on issues which need work. socialism is too simple to corrupt with a small group in power, temper it with democracy and a court system designed to uphold the democratic legislation of government and elections directly from the people and you'll have a system which is able to self correct. the only source of corruption left to monitor is election polls and bribery

    (actually if anyone has a flaw in this please say so, i'm attempting to think of what the most ideal political system we can create would be. feed back would be helpful lol)

    best= marxist utopia. But alas, we are humans and fuck everything up
    - poopiteepoop April 2, 2013, 10:45 am
    What about all the troops that that huge military budget gives jobs to?
    - casper667 April 2, 2013, 8:24 pm
    I think this was meant to be more of an idea to get people to notice that we need a change and hear other opinions. I don't think they meant this as a final solution. A full socialism would be catastrophic but some socialist ideas would help even things out a little. The UN has it's uses but I don't think we need to fund it as much as we are. Other nations barely contribute a thing. I think something needs to happen soon though before we get too far in debt and can't get back out.
    - chadlendadly95 April 3, 2013, 10:08 am
    wait worked well in mass? thought you lived here dude you seen the abuse that system has gotten?
    - Tremp20k April 3, 2013, 1:18 pm
    Hey, first thanks for responding something better than "cool story bro"
    We agree with you on many points, but we think socializing the nation will help in the process of changing the government.
    The more we think about it, a dictatorship seems like a route that socialism would
    take. But could it avoid corruption long enough for the changes in the government to complete.

    The idea about the prisoners... for the record, it was a thought. but we think it could help with paying off our debt,
    although We're not sure what kind of work they could do that would benefit the country. It is barbaric, but it could help with
    detouring future criminals.

    And with the UN, we fail to see why we should keep supporting it as much as we are. It fails in its main goal which is to maintain peace in
    the world. For it to really work, every nation in the world would need to be a part of it and want to maintain peace. In reality it's just a few major nations who go there and argue.
    We agree it works with the advance of science and stopping global warming. But other than that the UN can't work without
    more nations participating.

    The change you suggest with the politctians and avoding corruption sound great! But we should also change our election
    process. I'm not sure what we change it too,
    I would have to do some more research as every possibility we can think of can be corrupted.

    Last thing, we want to say that our post is an assortment of ideas from us(me and my friend) and a few other people.
    Its purely theory but we would like to see changes in the US. And thank you for responding. We had hoped that someone like you
    would notice and help us refine the idea. Its clear you know your stuff and I bet you researched some things. And we will
    continue to post things like this article. But we would like to use some or almost all of your ideas and merge with our current one.

    And hopefully you will stick with us, we would like to have a chat about healthcare with you sometime. Maybe create something better
    than the current system. And once again thanks!
    - ChadandMatt April 3, 2013, 11:35 pm
    so, just gonna toss out my opinion here.
    military doesn't need such a big cut, certainly not as much of a downsizing as it's getting. welfare needs a major cut. paying for 6 kids and a mother who has never been married is stupid.

    i agree with the prison stuff, but shouldn't illegal immigrants be deported immediately instead of fed and housed on the taxpayers money? also, death penalty, make it easier to get. save money. lethal injection is expensive, bullets are not AS EXPENSIVE. save money, shoot a criminal.

    healthcare, i'm sorry to say this but people need to die... faster. we're growing at a rate i dont think this planet can support for an extended period of time.
    - MIKYTEY April 3, 2013, 11:42 pm
    I don't have a ton of time at the moment to fully respond but I'll just say that it's perfectly fine by me for you guys to use theses ideas. and incorporate them into your own. and i'd love to discuss this stuff further with you guys and go into more detail about how things should work and such. these ideas are what people need to be discussing and working to improve because the current system clearly has major flaws in it. I'll be happy to respond to this message more throughly in a few days, since i'm currently loaded down with work. but keep working on it and refining what you have, think about it from different perspectives and always remember that the government is there for the benefit of the people, and it is only as strong as the support it has from those it governs. this doesn't mean it's obligated to fix every little thing in society, but when it comes to equality, education and the freedoms we enjoy it must protect and promote them for as long as it stands
    - 24paperwings April 18, 2013, 1:24 pm
    That huge military budget deals mainly in defense contracts and weapons projects...some of which get cancelled after costing millions to billions of dollars. You can't deny that there's a lot of waste. Especially when that money could be going into infrastructure or education.
    - CrazyJay April 19, 2013, 9:04 am
    You always need to experiment with new weapons/technology in order to remain ahead of the game, sometimes they don't work out. It's not like we don't have any enemies. And also the military personnel part of the budget is 2x larger than R&D, only being smaller than maintenance and operations in 2010 when we had the wars still going on. Our military budget has always spiked in wartime, and fallen back down gradually after. I fail to see how other programs we could be spending money on is relevant at all, since if we cut back on military budget that money saved would likely not be added into other programs at all.
    - casper667 April 19, 2013, 12:14 pm
    Yeah much of an edge do you need? The US already spends more on military than the next 10 countries combined. (Most of whom are allies.) It's one thing to experiment but wasting money on failures is another thing. I was just making the point that getting returns on your investment matter, and you could argue that the money could be better spent else ware without compromising defensive capability. Or you could lower taxes slightly, if that appeals more to you.
    - CrazyJay April 19, 2013, 5:56 pm
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    I had a long thing written out, and then my browser reloaded all my open tabs for no discernible reason. So, basically, America needs a gradual shift on the Capitalist/Socialist spectrum towards socialism. Not all the way, of course, just a moderate injection of some socialist ideas that help in narrowing the income gap. Because this:

    Everyone doesn't need, or deserve to be, rich. I know quite a few jobless-because-they-quit losers who do drugs, have welfare children, could go to college for free but don't, why do you want to shift the income gap in these people's favor? I'm guessing you've never lived in a poor area. We don't need to make it harder for people to succeed by taxing them more as they grow (or however you propose distributing more of their wealth to lower class people) that ruins the incentive of most of the people you're trying to help. We need to do something about the education/culture in lower income areas. It would be interesting to hear what socialist ideas you'd like to see? Not saying they're all bad but hoping you don't want to go too far with socialism.
    - casper667 April 2, 2013, 8:22 pm
    As I said, gradual steps to lower the income gap. The unbelievably, astoundingly massive income gap in this country is unequivocally unacceptable. I too agree that we do not need to post poor workers and bums up in luxury hotels, but that doesn't mean, in my estimation, that we leave them to die as they currently do. That we leave the poor (hardworking or not) without health care, food, shelter, etc. CEOs generally pay a lower tax rate than their secretaries, and those same CEOs even often pay a lower tax rate than their maids. Why are you so concerned about keeping taxes lower on the wealthy when the taxes on the middle and lower classes are much higher?
    - Logos385 April 2, 2013, 9:07 pm
    It makes sense they pay lower rates, they pay more overall. I think it's a mistake to provide free health care, food, and shelter for lazy people, it's not motivating them to become productive members of society. The more people we provide for, the more it costs the people with jobs, and eventually you will run out of money this way. It would work if we raised the requirements to be eligible for these programs and cut down on fraud within them, but the way it is going it is even easier to sell your food stamps for $ now. Figure you have a family of 2, you can live reasonably comfortably on 2 near-minimum wage jobs. Not everyone deserves to live in a 2 story house in the suburbs.
    - casper667 April 3, 2013, 3:40 am
    Wait wait wait- why do those who make MORE have to pay LESS in taxes? (Sorry, caps should just read as italics, not in away meaning to textually raise my voice) The idea of taxation is to give the government back a percentage in order to help it run. Those who have a comfier living are able to give more, as they have a much larger safety net financially. Furthermore, they have received more from working with/within the government.

    Living on two minimum wage jobs, as two people, is actually extremely difficult, depending on the state you're in. And, when you say it's a "mistake" to provide health care, food, and shelter for lazy people, would you prefer they die? Because, sadly, that IS the alternative.
    - Logos385 April 3, 2013, 8:11 pm
    They don't pay less? They pay a higher percentage of income tax, however, most of their income is from long term investments which are good for the economy and thus is taxed at a lower rate (to give incentive to risk their money and help stimulate the economy), which means they pay a lower rate overall in return for investing/donating. Not to mention they often donate lots to charity that they can deduct, or are you trying to say investing / donations are bad things?

    Living on 2 minimum wage jobs is not difficult at all; practically my whole family has done it at one point or another. A minimum wage job pays $15,000 annually, well above the poverty threshold. If you have 2 minimum wage workers then you are even farther from the poverty threshold. Recently it seems everyone expects to be able to live in a nice house in the suburbs off a minimum wage job, but that's not how it should be. States with higher living costs also have higher minimum wages, so I don't see the problem.

    In regards to the last statement, I think you're looking at it too black-and-white. If we could do more to prevent them from becoming dependant on the government in the first place by giving them more education, lowering the amount you can get from the government, and raising the strictness of the eligibility requirements it would give them an incentive to work rather than live off the government. Right now, it seems the more irresponsible you are the more $ you are awarded with, and that really needs to change or else pretty soon we won't be able to pay for it all and the alternative situation you describe will happen as a result of keeping people dependant on the government. The total cost of the SNAP program alone doubled from 2001 - 2008, and it more than doubled again from 2008 - 2012. This trend is unacceptable.
    - casper667 April 4, 2013, 1:51 am
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    Cool story, bro.

    • Disco
    • March 31, 2013, 12:04 am
    thanks, thought of it myself
    - ChadandMatt March 31, 2013, 6:21 pm
    If you don't care about the article then don't bother commenting something stupid.
    - chadlendadly95 April 3, 2013, 10:10 am
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    You don't seem to be able to comprehend long term consequences of your ideas.

    How about you actually try to understand what you're spewing, then maybe the people here can have an actual conversation about it.

    he would know, he's russian ;)
    - 24paperwings April 2, 2013, 11:12 am
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    Here's a capitalists approach to these problems. Let's begin with medical, in order for quality to be maintained and prices be low there has to be competition. In socialized medicine quality drops with the price because why do quality work when you're getting paid just as much as everyone else? Right now there is a quasi monopoly in both the medical profession and insurance companies, the government can only do so much but we the consumer can do much more. We need to regain the trend of competitive business by going to those who are good at what they do and do it for a reasonable price and maintain that trend.

    Now on the subject of military, currently we are on the tail end of Pax Americana this means that we are the current hegemonal power and have certain obligations which more or less means being the "police force of the world" once this is over we can make notable progress. Since we are no longer getting involved in conflicts we save money by no longer needing to maintain such a large force allowing us to reduce military spending, since we have such a surplus of arms and things of that sort we can sell to other countries creating revenue, we will have idle manufacturing capabilities that we can move towards the civilians market to produce munitions to sell on civilian and international markets and arms for the civilian market (this includes class 3 firearms), and then use the money from that to increase production capabilities and pay off foreign debt. Now wouldn't that just increase firearms homicides? No and here is why, in order to be eligible to purchase military hardware you must go through a military provided training program which includes evaluating the mental health and criminal history of the potential buyer with a mandatory retrain every 5 years. So now we have millions of people trained in the use of firearms which creates deterrent for mass killings in public areas we would could put a portion of the remaining military personal in public schools to deter mass killings there, it eliminates the pool of victims for criminals to pick from, and it creates a deterrent to foreign countries because of the size of the militia force.
    Now for the UN we need to be more delicate, we need to work out more balanced ways to maintain it. This can mean that the permanent members all put in 20% to maintain it while selling military hardware such as munitions, arms, and vehicles to other members who supply soldiers and aid.

    There are a lot more things that we can do to get back in the black but all in all our government needs to look at the situation from a more business oriented standpoint in order to stop hemorrhaging money and actually have a positive income.

    unfortunately, the government doesn't want the civilians to be armed or have munitions. and the whole assault weapons ban thing of 1980whatever makes new class 3 toys impossible to get
    - MIKYTEY April 3, 2013, 11:46 pm
    Yeah I am well acquainted with the Hughes Amendment 1986 automatic weapons ban, but that can be dealt with by a Libertarian government selected by the people.
    - triclebickle April 4, 2013, 12:00 am
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    lol, "you foreign things" hahahahaha I like this guy :) Didn't read your argument though bro you lost me at "socialism"

    It's not meant to be a full socialism. Just some socialist ideas to help us get out of debt.
    - chadlendadly95 April 3, 2013, 10:12 am
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    "We're sorry grandma, but if you smoke and get cancer, your denied healthcare, we will put in a old home but no treatment for cancer."

    Or, better yet, how about we don't do that, because we're not heartless killers.

    • Ertrov
    • April 18, 2013, 10:50 pm
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