Public schools the newest form a prison

So most of us have seen the blogs and videos regarding what happens behind school walls. now I was given a brief description of schooling in the UK and other places but I'm still a little foggy on the process, but I digress so I want your opinions on constitutional rights in school (for less acquainted the topic rights like free speech, self defense, and so on and so forth). My opinion on the matter is that public schools are basically really expensive day prisons, because from my schooling "career" as they so oddly call it I as well as most of the students in my school we treated like second class citizens behind school walls our food was frequently inedible, and our "authority figures" were disrespectful, egotistic, totalitarians who hated any type of rebellion. This is related to a couple of my other posts.

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    I'm on Sharenator at school. It's all good for me.

    i second that
    - BlurrySours January 3, 2011, 3:37 pm
    - hellsnyper January 4, 2011, 11:52 am
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    I am a teacher. I treat my students with the same amount of respect that I would like them to give me, to a point. If they lie to me, the lose some respect. If they treat me poorly, they lose respect.

    School is a game. Some rules are stupid and arbitrary, but I don't make them, I do have to enforce them. If I don't I get in trouble. I am not losing my job because some poorly raised child with no respect for anyone can not follow a rule. It is really quite simple.

    My job is to help students learn a subject, I can do a lot of different things, but sometimes I have to give basic info in the form of notes. Everyday can not be a song and dance. Suck it up and deal with it.

    If the food sucks, pack a lunch. My school had horrible food, students packed everyday for a couple of weeks and the administration freaked out. The food got cheaper, and better.

    Organize yourselves, don't make fun of people on the student council, join it. Take part in extra-curriculars, and get the most you can from school instead of simply whining about it.

    If you are having issues in a class, talk to the teacher. If they do not help you seek out another teacher of the same subject. I used to have students from all over the school in my room after school. Make the most of it, but always remember there are two parts to school, yours and the schools, you need to do at least 50% or you will not learn.

    • r60man
    • January 2, 2011, 2:36 pm
    I respect you for your opinion, and that you are one of the few teachers that really want to help. But from my observation you seem to have the jaded view on students that many teachers have, that view being that students that are "poorly raised" (many teachers go after the parents as well as the students and say that they are poorly raised which in most cases is far from the truth) or "unruly" are the reason problems in the class exist. When in many cases the student is raised well and their behavior in class stems from something that happened in class or in school. An example from my time in high school is my geometry teacher who the first day of class targeted a student next to me and one day she asked him a question knowing that he couldn't answer it, and I knowing the answer began to help the student she noticed this and sent me into the hall and moved my seat to the other side of the room which she did again to the other person sitting on the other side of him for the same reason. she lied about the students conduct in class, she frequently argued with students that offered proof that there were easier ways to solve equations, and by all definitions she hindered the learning process and was a "bad" teacher. But thankfully there are teachers like yourself that actually teach their students and are willing to help when needed.
    - triclebickle January 2, 2011, 4:15 pm
    All Teachers were students. So they do know more about your life than you know about theirs. Parents are responsible for students attitudes and the amount of respect those students show other adults. This is something that today's youth are missing out on, thanks to a severe lack in punishment.

    School is there to prepare children to join society. It has evolved into what it is now over thousands of years. You are given an opportunity to excel in school, primarily paid for by 5% of the population, what you do with that opportunity is your responsibility.

    You spoiled, whiny brats, have no understanding of what awaits you in the real world. School is the easiest part of your life, and you are wasting this golden opportunity at a better future.

    Stop whining, listen to your teachers, come back in 10 years to thank them for making you into the person that your parents were too lazy to make you into.
    - Albane January 3, 2011, 9:13 am
    albane I'm 20 and I make upwards of 300k a year doing what I taught myself to do so I think I get to have the opportunity to change things so that students are taught what they want to learn so that they have a better chance at doing well in the fields of their choosing, instead of packing their sculls full of information that they are unlikely to use in the future. And yes teaches were students once upon a time but things change with every year so they don't know more about the student's life than the students know about theirs. most children are disrespectful by nature and in bad moods by environment things like sleep deprivation, stress, and anxiety (all caused by schools in one form or another) affects someones mood. 500 years ago nobility and the social elite were the only ones to be educated because the serfs were too poor and that dates back into B.C. and it wasn't until the early 20th century that public education even came into existence and with each passing year the students are taught less to be free thinking beings and more to be drones with no creativity and who follow any order with out question.
    - triclebickle January 3, 2011, 3:27 pm
    Only 12% of people making over 100k a year (household income) do not have a college degree. School is necessary for most Americans to ever get a decent job, and High School is a stepping stone to higher education.

    If you think High School is stressful or challenging without taking AP courses, be prepared to have your mind blown if you try College.

    What job do you have that pays over 300k a year at 20 years old, doing what you taught yourself to do?
    - Albane January 4, 2011, 6:20 am
    I am a stock investor, what I taught myself was how to basically predict what the market will look like in the future through statistics, social trends and patterns, and the affect that international events have on the global market. granted classes that I took like sociology, psychology, business, and advanced statistics aided in this process they were classes that I had to pay a fee of 75 to 125 dollars to attend, and a few of them were for college credit. I know how stressful college is but if you take into consideration public school students are on a repeating schedule, were as college students have a more flexible schedule allowing them to stretch out a workload. While it is true that education is important in the working world you can go to college with out going to high school while it is difficult and the people are vastly more intelligent than their publicly educated counter parts and normally home schooled it is possible. Especially in this day and age where public school has become a norm in society making self educated and home schooled people seem a bit taboo.
    - triclebickle January 4, 2011, 1:29 pm
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    amen to that but private schools are worse then public especially military schools,

    well while this is true military school is quite helpful for the future.
    - triclebickle December 30, 2010, 9:31 pm
    more often than not you are sent to a military school for a reason.
    - johnecash December 31, 2010, 10:20 am
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    >"public schools are basically really expensive day prisons"
    That couldn't be a bigger lie. Public schools get less money than prisons.

    Yes, I do agree that sometimes the food is something you would rather give to your dog & see if he lives through it.
    At my school they give us burritos most of the time witch I have to tell you, are overcooked or I should say overmicrowaved.

    Of course we should have those rights.
    Just because we are in school we shouldn't. That doesn't even make partial sense. I can't tell you how many times teachers or staff tell you "go tell an adult", "back away from a fight", or "don't encourage them". There goes my self-defense rights!
    "Don't talk back to the teacher!". There goes my freedom of speech!
    "Don't draw in class!" Do you know what I hear, when I hear that?
    "Don't draw WHILE WE DO NOTHING PRODUCTIVE in class!"

    (Personal story time) I was attacked by a retired cop, who said I was bullying his son. I was in 6th grade at the time, his son was in - bullshit aside gentlemen - 8TH GRADE! FUCKING EIGHT GRADE!
    I was suspended for bullying a kid I didn't even fucking know!
    And to top it all off his dad hit me with his elbow in the back of my head, & I scraped my knee witch would have been fine If I could take a FUCKING SHOWER with out PAIN!

    SO YES, the people that run public schools are great, loving, caring people & it's a good thing too, or else what would become of future generations.

    i really hope that last part is in sarcasm. and i don't know what prisons get per prisoner but i know that after the No child left behind act schools get 9,996 dollars per student that's triple what they were getting prier to the act so if you can supply the federal funding for prisons for me that would be super.
    - triclebickle December 31, 2010, 9:29 am
    I don't know how much prisons get for each prisoner, I'm just pissed that prisoners have more constitutional rights than students.
    Come to think of it, students don't have any rights at all. hoo- fucking-ray for the constitution.
    - drakengard85 December 31, 2010, 9:41 am
    welcome to america where the nations youth are given less rights than the nations criminals.
    - triclebickle December 31, 2010, 9:48 am
    thats because, unlike criminals, the youth don't know how to properly use their rights without infringing on the rights of others. OH WAIT
    - drakengard85 December 31, 2010, 10:13 am
    which is why i read books and studied about politics and law in high school so that i could use my nations constitution, bill of rights and various legal statutes to get me out of trouble.
    - triclebickle December 31, 2010, 10:25 am
    You seem to be looking at it all wrong. Let me break it down for you.
    1. you say; I can't tell you how many times teachers or staff tell you "go tell an adult", "back away from a fight", or "don't encourage them". There goes my self-defense rights!
    *****No one is telling you not to defend yourself but they are trying to show you other options than fighting.

    2. "Don't talk back to the teacher!". There goes my freedom of speech!
    *****No one is taking you freedom of speech. You are the student, they are the teacher. Remember you place. you are there to learn and they are there to teach. they can't teach when students are mouthing off. There is a time and place for ever thing. If you have a problem with a teacher, talk to them after class on your time. Class is their time to teach.

    3. "Don't draw in class!" Do you know what I hear, when I hear that?
    "Don't draw WHILE WE DO NOTHING PRODUCTIVE in class!"
    *****Pay attention to the lesson. You have all the time in the world to draw, at home, study hall, ART CLASS!!! But the time you have with the teacher is limited.

    *****Remember kids Knowledge is power. Stupid people don't go far in life. If you know it all then you need to be an advanced class. If you don't, be quiet and let the teachers do their job. Teachers don't get payed much. They are not in it for the money. They do it because they hope to help young kids learn.
    If you don't like the lunch the school makes, bring you own. While complaining is easy, I would suggest you try and find solutions.
    - johnecash December 31, 2010, 10:32 am
    You said, "I'm just pissed that prisoners have more constitutional rights than students."
    Heads up that statement is in no way shape or form true.
    - johnecash December 31, 2010, 10:36 am
    My point is that any injustice done to a student will be pretty much ignored by any governing and adminstrative body unless they are either viciously beaten, or raped.

    I just did a very poor job of expressing that thought.
    - drakengard85 December 31, 2010, 11:18 am
    It may seem that way to you now, but teacher are there to help you. 99 out of 100 want nothing but the best for you. there is the occasional asshole, but they are the exception not the rule. Put yourself in the teachers shoes. Do you think its easy to teach unruly children? Most of the time the injustice you speak of happens due to the fact that the teachers don't know about it. Teachers are good people. All they want to do is teach.
    - johnecash December 31, 2010, 12:17 pm
    1.Then why do I get in trouble for fighting back?
    2.Even when the teacher is wrong? If I can't speak my mind I think that is my freedom of speech.
    3.When we are not doing anything productive in class what's the matter with drawing?
    - thekitkatkid December 31, 2010, 2:32 pm
    I wrote a paper on juvenile justice but I'm sure the numbers aren't far off from adult prisoners.
    "California spends $216,000 per youth it locks up, but spends just $8,000 on each student"
    - thekitkatkid December 31, 2010, 2:35 pm
    well most juvenile correctional facilities act as both schools and jails and there is a difference in the number of bodies where as schools generally have more kids than the jails do which allows them to spread out that cost to make themselves seem cost effective and in need for more funding.
    - triclebickle December 31, 2010, 4:00 pm
    ahh, I didn't know that. I guess that should have been in my paper.
    - thekitkatkid December 31, 2010, 4:02 pm
    the injustice I was talking about is the kind perpetrated by teachers. And i know a great majority of teachers are good, kind, people.
    I was talking about the occasional asshole and the uptight idiots who give teachers a bad name. In my enntire scholastic career I have only had maybe 3 teachers who fall under this category. But the administration seems to be unwilling or unable to deal with them.
    - drakengard85 December 31, 2010, 5:46 pm
    while i was studying government i had to study federal funding
    - triclebickle December 31, 2010, 6:13 pm
    1. Yes, you should get more self-defense rights than you do.
    2. The teacher is an authority figure. If they tell you to stop talking you must. Besides, if you're a minor you actually have very few rights.
    3. If the teacher isn't teaching, then you should be allowed to draw. For me, I even focus better if I draw or do something to keep my mind from wandering.
    - Ertrov December 31, 2010, 9:42 pm
    Dude, if it was like prison, you're be getting raped in the butt and beat half to death. And the teachers wouldn't care.
    - Ertrov December 31, 2010, 9:44 pm
    happy new years! also I agree with most of your points.
    - thekitkatkid December 31, 2010, 10:01 pm
    to that I agree, there is always that one that messes it up for the rest. the lesson they may teach is how to deal with a dick.
    - johnecash December 31, 2010, 10:31 pm
    you don't get in trouble for fighting back you get in trouble for fighting. as the old saying goes it takes two to tango.
    your job is to learn what the teacher is teaching, not teach the teacher.
    its not your job as a student to decided what is and is not productive. its your job to do what the teacher ask of you.
    - johnecash December 31, 2010, 10:34 pm
    - Ertrov January 2, 2011, 12:24 pm
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    i agree with self defense
    if someone threatens me or even calls me something i think i have the right to beat the s*$t out of him

    • hightec
    • December 31, 2010, 4:02 am
    I once got a lunch detention because some kid decided he was going to choke me, and then acted out his decision.
    - drakengard85 December 31, 2010, 9:39 am
    It takes a punk to fight at a drop of a hat. Thats what all the gang kids do. It takes a man to walk away and laugh at the other person for being a dick.
    - johnecash December 31, 2010, 10:37 am
    then kill them in their sleep. That's how the real men do it.
    - GinjaNinja December 31, 2010, 12:22 pm
    No that how scared pussies do it.
    - johnecash December 31, 2010, 12:43 pm
    I'm pretty sure you won't walk that far. They will probably be pushing & chasing you.
    - thekitkatkid December 31, 2010, 2:37 pm
    they might. point being its always best to walk away when its an option.
    - johnecash December 31, 2010, 10:32 pm
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    My experience in my schools -English ones-(Primary and Secondary a.k.a High School) was pretty good. The only issue I had was although they organised these things called Form Representatives meetings in High School, very little was done when the issues were raised. Also, the buildings were terrible, but that's because it was a very old school, so the heating would be on in the summer and off in the winter.. It was quite backwards :P
    Altogether though, I thought it was pretty good up to year 11.. The only issue I had was that they brought in a Math teacher as a substitute who was shocking, and without going to the revision sessions with a different teacher, I'd dropped from getting a C to getting a D/E. I got a B in the end :D

    • SuDoku
    • December 31, 2010, 4:19 am
    i think you were the person who gave me the brief explanation of schooling in the UK.
    - triclebickle December 31, 2010, 9:33 am
    you must have gone to the same school as me heatings was backwards there too. Also they brought in some idiot to teach maths just before our GCSEs. O.o
    - GinjaNinja December 31, 2010, 12:24 pm
    Well tbh, I'm just glad I went to them revision sessions, I get proper bad number blindness, where if I look at numbers it takes me forever to work it out, even with stuff like addition. So I was pretty impressed with a B :)
    - SuDoku January 1, 2011, 12:29 am
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    im from a uk public school ask anything you want :)

    • BEASTY
    • December 31, 2010, 7:27 pm
    why dont you tell us about it and we'll fill in the blanks
    - triclebickle December 31, 2010, 8:02 pm
    in England we have a primerary school and secondary school.
    primerary school there is reception class, year 1,2,3,4,5 and 6.
    in this school we learn all the basic stuff like reading ect maths whatever.
    Secondary school is year 7,8,9,10 and 11
    year 1-11 are compulcery, you have to go in secondary you acctluy have about 12 different teachers each for your own subject
    in year 10 and 11 you do GCSE's these consist of about 20-40% coursework and the rest is exams.
    after that education is optional, the 6th form at school is year 12 and 13
    in these years you do A levels i do not fully understand the rations of A levels because i haven't done them yet
    - BEASTY December 31, 2010, 9:18 pm
    that basically answers any questions that i would have.
    - triclebickle January 1, 2011, 10:20 am
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    My school raped sharenator:\

    then rape it back
    - triclebickle January 2, 2011, 4:41 pm
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    schools and welfare programs are the 2 biggest expenses for any city. (schools are the largest, but not by much).

    but to answer your question: do you get raped by men in prison for looking at a memeber of the aryan union wrong? or have your head nearly cut off with a sharpened spoon by a member of the muslim brotherhood because they forced you to be cell mates with one?... didnt think so.

    • c8r15
    • January 3, 2011, 8:45 am
    did you ever take into consideration that the prison part of this post is an exaggeration?... didn't think so
    - triclebickle January 3, 2011, 3:04 pm
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    Maybe students should just grow a pair and get through it without whining.

    • Ertrov
    • December 31, 2010, 9:38 pm
    that could be true but why not change it for the better
    - triclebickle January 1, 2011, 10:21 am
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