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    Who gives a shit if they're anti-gay? I don't care if you're gay just like i don't care if Chick-fil-A is homophobic. It's fucking delicious.

    so because he thinks homosexuality is wrong he is a"homophobic, bigoted neanderthal"? :\
    - prophethorris July 29, 2012, 12:44 am
    Wrong comment dude, but I'll reply anyway. Here's the equivalent to what you just said:

    so because he thinks black people are evil he is a"racist, bigoted neanderthal"? :

    It's the same as racism, in almost every way.
    - Ertrov July 29, 2012, 12:49 am
    Um... what the fuck?
    - MalverdeAl100 July 29, 2012, 12:51 am
    hes not calling homosexuals (people) evil, hes calling homosexality (idea, lifestyle, w/e) wrong.
    - prophethorris July 29, 2012, 8:49 am
    - Ertrov July 29, 2012, 9:08 am
    care to explain ur faceplam cause I really dont get it.
    - prophethorris July 29, 2012, 3:30 pm
    Insulting an immutable trait is the same as insulting the being that possesses that immutable trait.
    - Logos385 July 29, 2012, 10:03 pm
    theres a big difference between calling something evil and calling something wrong, and yes i believe being homosexual is wrong but that doesn't make you gosh darn evil like his methaphor. A little side note, being gay and being black are 2 different things: people are born black it isn't a choice, people aren't born gay it's a choice
    - prophethorris July 29, 2012, 11:32 pm
    i do apprecitae u pointing that out btw, thks.
    - prophethorris July 29, 2012, 11:33 pm
    Actually, being gay is not a choice. When did you choose to be straight?
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 2:13 am
    ahhh u r one of those plp... no point in arguing with u.
    - prophethorris July 30, 2012, 7:44 am
    "Those people". I take it you mean I'm somebody who understands biology and psychology enough to not make an ass of myself by asserting that being gay is a choice.
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 8:07 am
    how is it not a choice then?
    - prophethorris July 30, 2012, 8:09 am
    That's not something I can sum up in a comment. You have to do some real research. I can, however, point you in the right direction.
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 8:16 am
    Calling something wrong is still insulting and discriminatory... And Ertrov's right. It's not a choice. Do your research, good sir.
    - Logos385 July 30, 2012, 12:47 pm
    Treating something different is discriminatory, and if homosexuality is considered some kind of mental illness, im pretty sure it is wrong
    - prophethorris July 30, 2012, 12:54 pm
    It's not any form of mental illness. Source? And your first part didn't make much sense.
    - Logos385 July 30, 2012, 12:57 pm
    Homosexuality being a mental illness was a misread on my part, sorry bout that. You know I keep trying to justify what im saying with my thoughts and that is wrong, and I guess it would appear that I hate homosexuals. The real reason I say this is wrong is because of the Bible.
    Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."
    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
    Leviticus 20:13 - “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
    Commenting on the last one Leviticus 20:13, I do not belive we should go out and kill all the homosexuals rather, as Jesus said in John 13:34, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.", and in Matthew 22:39, "And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." In short, love everyone.
    Now that that is out of the way I redirect focus to 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, This is why I say homosexuality is wrong. Homosexuals will not go to Heaven, and it is my duty as a Christian to try and save as many people on Earth as I can.
    Matthew 28:19 - "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
    - prophethorris July 31, 2012, 6:16 pm
    I love it when 'Christians" judge other people. Jesus said we are all sinners and that only god will judge us. Sin is sin, none is worse or better than others. The sin of pride you have in condemning the gays is just as bad as being gay according to the bible. Being gay was such a non issue to Jesus he never once spoke about it but he did warn not to judge others unless you are ready to be judged yourself. But I have sinned so I am not ready to cast the first stone.
    - johnecash July 31, 2012, 7:00 pm
    I'm not judging...
    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
    I know I'm a sinner, and I know i'm no better than any other man, but that isn't gonna stop me from trying to save people because I don't want them to suffer for eternity.
    I'm sorry if you see this as judging, but I'd rather be titled as a hypocritical judge than someone who did nothing to try and save his fellow man and spread the love Jesus.
    - prophethorris July 31, 2012, 7:23 pm
    When you say some one is wrobg you are judgibg them. It's ok your pride is your sin. Jesus shows us how to live and love not hate. I was just trying to save you from damnation since you ignore Jesus when he tells us not to judge. So how long have you been in the Westminster babysit cult of ignoring Jesus?
    - johnecash July 31, 2012, 7:50 pm
    Bro, why are you so hostile? If you don't want to accept Jesus that is fine that's your decision, but flinging out hostile words in order to make me feel bad or whatever is completely unnecessary. Yes homosexuality is wrong it is a sin because that is how it is treated in the Bible. You are free to feel any way you want, but that's how I feel. The difference is I am willing to help you if you need it, and HEY, I'm not perfect i'm a sinner i've sinned. However, Jesus accepts me the same way he accepts all who come to him in repentance and love, that excludes no one.
    - prophethorris July 31, 2012, 8:58 pm
    You judged me to not accept Jesus? Does your list of sins never end? Here I am trying to teach you the messag of our lord, you know to love and accept, not to judge. You are a typical buffet Christian, taking only the parts you want and sinfully ignoring the rest. It seems you have been rad the bible, now if only you understood it. Sadly you would rather fill your heart with hate. Jesus is ashamed of you.
    - johnecash July 31, 2012, 9:11 pm
    Ahhh I get it now, u b trolling. L8r bro I see you don't care anymore
    - prophethorris July 31, 2012, 9:13 pm
    Buffet Christians are the saddest of them all and according to the book of enoc there is a special place in hell just for you.
    - johnecash July 31, 2012, 9:19 pm
    Has someone wronged you john? Was it me that sparked your hatred for Christians? I'd like to help you if you are willing.
    - prophethorris July 31, 2012, 9:25 pm
    Ok you call being gay a choice I can tell you it is not because if it was I would not be it. I don't feel like having to explain as to why you're wrong but if I do I will.
    - castlewarsisawsome August 1, 2012, 12:11 am
    If you don't want to, don't; but I'd appreciate it if you would
    - prophethorris August 1, 2012, 12:23 am
    Ok I'm not lieing about any of this and i hope it helps you see the point that's its not a choice.
    When I was about 12 I started having all the regular stuff a 12 year old does. I was fapping doing all that regular stuff, having fantasists (spelling?) over girls. Eventually I started doing it for guys as well. me being 12 I paniced and looked it up on the internet. It said it could be a phase so I shrugged it off. I of coarse being strange I decided to experiment. I ended up enjoying that so i really paniced realizing it might not be a phase. I started beating on myself for having gay thoughts and putting myself down. The abuse became homophobia and i grew to hate people like that. It went on for about a year and it still wasn't working. Eventually after two years I stopped the phiscal abuse on myself and just put myself down more and more putting me into a depression. I became suicidal also mental unstable. (such has me having visions of murdering people who only anger me slightly. note this was also going on with my horrible 8th grade school year). Around the end of my 9th grade year I found out west bro hated gays so to piss them off I accepted gays. Then my lusts for men kept happening eventually I submitted to and admitted to myself I was bi but would still never be with a guy in my life. The rest is just me coming out to my friends and stuff so it isn't important.
    - castlewarsisawsome August 1, 2012, 12:41 am
    The Bible also says a lot of screwed up stuff about marriage and morality. Like if a woman is raped it is her fault because she didn't scream loud enough.

    Either way, this is a discussion about politics and business practice, and the laws of the land are to remain unaffected by religious bias.
    - Logos385 August 1, 2012, 1:43 am
    Mr. Cash, my respect for you has increased after reading through the things you posted in this thread. Good on you sir.
    - drakengard85 August 1, 2012, 6:24 am
    No you don't anger me at all my friend. Though I do pray for you since the path you are on now is going to have you burning in a lake of fire for eternity. I hope one day you will accept Jesus as your lord. Learn about his love for all. For according to the Book of Mary, those who think them self better than our lord, those who would judge others will burn in hell, and have to watch the Broadway musical version of twilight over and over staring Justin beaver. Go read the book of mary and the book of enoc, its all there.
    Most of all stop being a buffet Christian. Stop picking and choosing the parts you want and ignoring the parts you don't. There truly is a special place in hell for people like that. Stop blindly repeating what you can read like a trained monkey and use the brain god gave you to think about it. Try to figure out what is god, and what is man in the bible. You seem to blindly have faith in what ever version you are reading. Open your eyes, god does not want lemmings, he wants people.
    - johnecash August 1, 2012, 9:32 am
    so u are saying you are bisexual, but you'd never be with a guy?
    - prophethorris August 1, 2012, 1:17 pm
    Using your logic that being gay is a choice Ertrov asked you a fair question. If being gay is a choice so is being straight, bi or what ever the 4th option is(self love? i really have no idea). None the less the question was asked of you when you decided to be what ever it is you are. Its ok if your gay. From your post so far i can see signs of closet homosexuality, and that is ok. Jesus still loves you.
    - johnecash August 1, 2012, 1:53 pm
    If you were shown a pic of a naked woman, and a naked man what would give you an erection priming your body for copulation? For most of us the answer would be the woman. For some the man. For some it will be both. It just depends on how GOD made you. He did not make every one alike. Some people like chocolate more that vanilla, some people like breast more than butts, some people even like dico(NIGHT FEVER ALL THE WAY!). In the examples I have given there is a nature vs nurture argument that could be made for all except sexual preference. For that GOD, being the perfect creature he is, hard wired us to react in different ways.
    - johnecash August 1, 2012, 2:01 pm
    can u give me a quote on "Like if a woman is raped it is her fault because she didn't scream loud enough."?
    - prophethorris August 1, 2012, 2:10 pm
    New International Version, Deuteronomy 22:23-24.

    " If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you."
    - Logos385 August 1, 2012, 4:07 pm
    no the point is i was like that you missed the whole point of that. the point was that i couldn't control it if i could i would not be basically gay
    - castlewarsisawsome August 1, 2012, 4:23 pm
    "Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says." (1 Corinthians 14:34)

    "But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)

    "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched." (Mark 9:43)

    Deuteronomy 21:18-21

    “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”

    Deuteronomy 23:1

    No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

    "One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2)

    God's sons come down from Heaven to have sex with Earth women.(Genesis 6: 1, 2-4)

    Psalm 137:9

    “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”

    Ezekial 23:19-20

    Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after their genitals as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions.

    "Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." (Psalm 137:9)

    If a man have a stubborn and
    rebellious son. Then shall his
    father and his mother, bring
    him out unto the elders of his
    city and all the men of his
    city shall stone him with stones,
    that he die.
    Deuteronomy 21:18-21

    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil; I the Lord do all these things.
    Isaiah 45:7

    We should fear God (Matthew 10:28)
    We should love God (Matthew 22:37)
    There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18)
    - johnecash August 1, 2012, 4:32 pm
    but u r choosing not to be with men
    - prophethorris August 1, 2012, 6:35 pm
    Hey bro if you gay bi or straight, as long as you are good to other people and yourself your place in heavon is assured. Don't worry about the haters, they are just going to hate.
    - johnecash August 1, 2012, 6:50 pm
    Johne - most of what u posted is Old Testament, and it doesn't apply in the New Life Jesus gave us, because he has taught us to forgive and forget.
    I assume u copy and pasted form some website for Genesis 6: 1, 2-4, but no one came own from Heaven. The Sons of God are men of the Earth.
    For Mark 9:43 - its a metaphor, if anything keeps causing you to sin you need to part with it, it might be a friend or heck even your hand.
    Isaiah 45:7 - What this means is there was opposition to what He created, and he is the reason it was created.

    We should fear God (Matthew 10:28) - He should fear our Lord because he is all powerful, but in the way we fear our fathers
    We should love God (Matthew 22:37) - Yes we should, he made us and loves us, we love him because he first loved us.
    There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18) - Read the whole verse. You'll understand
    AS to 1 Corinthians 14:34 - I honestly don't know, but i'll ask around.

    Lots of these things you have pointed out, have been paraphrased to suit someone's personal needs, I urge you to check everything you read in the Bible, and not just take the internet on its word.
    - prophethorris August 1, 2012, 6:57 pm
    - Logo what this is saying if she didn't try to cry out, she wanted it and adultery is a sin, but we don't do this anymore, because Jesus taught us to forgive and forget
    - prophethorris August 1, 2012, 6:59 pm
    yes i agree with you 100% johnecash.
    - castlewarsisawsome August 1, 2012, 8:51 pm
    "as long as you are good to other people and yourself your place in heavon is assured" is a lie. I don't say this to make you feel bad or to infuriate you, I say this for your own good, just being good will not get you into heaven.
    - prophethorris August 1, 2012, 10:00 pm
    so if i oppress people and shoot them for their choses and own slaves i should be allowed into heaven more then someone who does all they can to better the world but happens to be gay
    - castlewarsisawsome August 1, 2012, 10:42 pm
    You see that's not the case and nor is it what I said, but I will tell you if that slave owning murderer turns from his ways, believes, repents, confesses, gets baptized, and does his best to be like Christ for the rest of his life, yes. Good works without faith is a wasted life and that goes the same for Faith without works. And bro you might have urges for men, but ultimately it is you who makes the choice to give in to them just like it would be for me. I can choose not to give in to my sexual desires or I can let them enslave me in sin. Understand I'm not saying this from a "holier than thou stance" I am a sinner just like everyone else.
    - prophethorris August 1, 2012, 11:09 pm
    Johne - most of what u posted is Old Testament, and it doesn't apply in the New Life Jesus gave us, because he has taught us to forgive and forget.

    I love this guy, a buffet christian.
    Ok lets go with your logic. The word of Jesus trumps the old testament, though I don't know where Jesus ever said that his word trumps the old testament. . . So what did Jesus say about being gay . . . Nothing. Though he did say a lot about not judging other, your guilty of that.
    Now let me ask you thins and see if you have the courage to answer it. Have you ever spoken to anyone who has been to heaven? So far all you know about it is what man had to say. How do I know that? In a book credit is given to the author. Where did god, Jesus, or any other of so called story tells sign off on it? they didn't because the stories have been so twisted by man. So before go go any father, what bible are you reading? There are 8 primary versions found in history:
    Septuagint - 250 A.D. Written in Greek
    Vulgate- 400 A.D. First version of the Bible which is canonized at the Council of Carthage in 400 A.D. Written in Latin
    Luther's German Bible- 1534 A.D.
    King James Version- 1611 A.D. This is the most widely used versions however it has large number of errors given that none of the writers had a decent understanding of Hebrew.
    Revised Standard Version- 1952 A.D. Literal translation into American English which used the earliest possible text
    New International Version- 1960's & 70's A.D. This is a very good contemporary English version. Another good contemporary English version is New King James Version (NKJV)
    The Youngs Literal Translation is as close to the originals as you can get, translated by Robert Young in 1898 A.D.

    So which one do you read? I have read 4 of them. Lutheran, King James, New International Version and the Mormon(Did you know Jesus lived in the US and that all Indians that are not white have been cursed by god?).
    - johnecash August 2, 2012, 10:29 am
    I am worried that for judging others like you do you are going to end up in hell for all eternity. When you are ready to accept the teaching of Jesus let me know so that you may be saved from hell.
    - johnecash August 2, 2012, 10:30 am
    If a woman does not cry out while being raped she wanted it. . . are you retarded, sad, or just another member of Westminster Baptist Church? I am sorry I am being so harsh on you, your brainwashing was probably not your fault.
    - johnecash August 2, 2012, 10:39 am
    Look at you reading between the lines and thinking you know more than the person who wrote it. You assume that what it means but you don't know. No matter how good you intentions are you are just assuming. And we all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    - johnecash August 2, 2012, 10:43 am
    Here is one of my favorite quotes about god;
    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
    - johnecash August 2, 2012, 10:57 am
    I read NIV.
    Matthew 26:28 - "'This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.'"
    Luke 22:20 - "In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.'"
    1 Corinthians 11:25 - "In the same way, after supper he took the cup saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.'"
    These are the scriptures that say Jesus trumps the Old Testament ways.
    - prophethorris August 2, 2012, 11:22 am
    - Matthew 26:28 - "'This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.'"
    No this does not say say Jesus trumps the Old Testament ways. You just added another stone to the road to hell that is paved with good intentions.

    - Luke 22:20 - "In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.'"
    No this does not say say Jesus trumps the Old Testament ways. You just added another stone to the road to hell that is paved with good intentions, your road to hell grows.

    1 Corinthians 11:25 - "In the same way, after supper he took the cup saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.'"
    No this does not say say Jesus trumps the Old Testament ways. You just added another stone to the road to hell that is paved with good intentions. Keep doing what you are doing, you will be in hell in no time.

    That's what you assume it means. It does not clearly say what you are suggesting. Not like say, Judge not unless you want to be judged. But first tell me what bible you are reading? Funny you would think there is only on but there are many and they all say something different. Never forget, man not god wrote and edited the bible. How much of today "bibles" have not been edited by good Christians like yourself who think they know what god really meant well never know, and you will never question. Blind faith is sad. Man says follow, god created us to question, ill go with gods creation over man's rule every day.
    - johnecash August 2, 2012, 11:34 am
    Is the NIV the Word of God?

    By James M. Frye

    A Grace Bible Church Publication

    You can find more articles by James M. Frye at his website:

    We pray this information helps you in some way.

    COPYRIGHT ©1998 - James M. Frye

    PUBLISHER’S NOTE: All scripture quotations are taken from the Authorized King James Bible. Any deviations are not intentional. All underlines, bold and items within parentheses are the author’s.


    Getting Started

    I would like to begin by saying that I believe that the Bible is the word of God. The question is, however, which Bible? To many of you who are reading this article, the answer to the question "Is the New International Version (NIV) the Word of God?" may appear to be simple. "Of course the NIV is the word of God", you might say. "And so are the New American Standard Version (NASV), the New King James Version (NKJV) and the Living Bible (LB)", along with a host of other new Bible versions that you might name. But is the answer to this question as simple as it might first appear? It is the purpose of this article to answer this question.

    It is beyond the scope of this article to examine all of the various new Bible versions available today. For the sake of space, I will limit myself to the NIV. As for the rest, we will reserve them for future articles.

    A Look at the Issue

    I used to go to a church where it was common practice to quote from a variety of Bible translations. The pastor would often say, "The NIV says ..., the NASV says ... - Who has the King James?", etc. During Sunday School one morning, the teacher was reading John 5:4. The King James Bible (KJB) says:

    For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
    And then the teacher made a statement that caused me to freeze in my tracks (pew). I think my chin must have hit the floor. He said, "For some reason, the NIV has left this verse out". I was shocked. I went and checked a copy of the NIV that I had at home, and sure enough, the verse was missing. This and other similar events caused me to realize that all Bible versions are not the same.

    Up until this time, I had believed that the only differences between the NIV and the King James was that the NIV was supposed to be easier to read and to understand. Boy, was I wrong. I knew that I needed to look into the matter further. By the grace of God, I was able to do just that. The information contained in this article represents some of the information that resulted from that study.

    They Can’t Both Be Right

    It is the purpose of this section to show that the difference between the Authorized King James Bible (KJB) and the NIV are irreconcilable. That is, they both can’t be right. For example, In Isaiah 9:3, the KJB says:

    Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy ...
    The NIV says:

    You have enlarged the nation and increased their joy
    You will notice that the main difference, apart from the rewording of the text, is that the KJB has the word not and the NIV doesn’t. So, the KJB says that God has not increased their joy. The NIV says that God has increased their joy.

    You might find yourself saying, "Is it really that big of a difference? After all, we are only talking about one word here." I chose this verse to establish a point: They (the KJB and NIV) say the exact opposite. If one is right, then the other one is wrong. We can’t possibly say that they are both correct. Did God increase their joy or not? Which words did God give to the prophet Isaiah? (2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Pet. 1:20-21)

    As I stated in the beginning of this article, many people operate under the false assumption that all Bible versions are the Word of God - despite the fact that they disagree with each other. Are we to suppose that God has written more than one Bible and that he makes statements in one and then disagrees with them in another? Of course not. God only wrote one Bible.

    I’ve actually shown the difference in Isaiah 9:3 to people and had them refuse to admit that they both can’t be right. Please understand that we need to have an open mind, absolute humility, and a sincere desire for the truth. People may think, "Well, my church uses the NIV, and if I believe this ...", or "I just don’t want to make waves." But, understand, to avoid conflict at all cost is not to be the attitude of a Christian. We should rather stand for the truth regardless of the conflict that arises from it. (Jude 3; John 15:20; Luke 12:51; 2 Tim. 3:12)

    Our attitude toward this matter should be the same as God’s. Revelation 22:18-19 says:

    For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
    God is angry with those who change his words. He promises plagues to those who add to them, and loss from one’s part in the Book of Life for those who subtract from them. In case you think it is just the book of Revelation that God is concerned about, God places similar rebukes against changing his words in Deuteronomy 4:2 and Proverbs 30:6. One rebuke is in the beginning of the Bible, one in the middle, and one at the end. It is his words that God is concerned about - not just where they are located. So then, we should have the same attitude about this issue as God has.

    1 Peter 1:16 says:

    Surely this applies, not only to our actions, but also to our attitudes. If God takes the changing of his words seriously, so then should we. If it angers God, it should anger us. There is a righteous and an unrighteous anger. (See Mark 3:5 and Eph. 4:26) Sometimes it is wrong (a sin) not to be angry.

    Seeing It For Yourself

    So far, we have looked at just a few problems with the NIV - a missing word here and a missing verse there. But the problem is much greater than just a word or a verse.

    For starters, try finding the following verses in the NIV:

    Matthew 17:21; 18:11; 23:14.

    Mark 7:16; 9:44; 9:46; 11:26; 15:28.

    Luke 17:36; 23:17; John 5:4.

    Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:7; 28:29.

    Romans 16:24 and 1 John 5:7.

    They are not there. They have been removed entirely. Now I ask you, what kind of Bible is it that leaves out entire verses? What did these verses say? Among other things, they say that: Jesus came to save the lost, that hell is a place where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched, and that a person must be a believer in order to be baptized.

    In the last verse (1 John 5:7), the NIV is very deceptive, for it does have a verse 7, but it is really part of verse 8. Verse 8 has been split into two verses in the NIV (verses 7 and 8) so that you won’t know that verse 7 is missing. 1 John 5:8 (KJB) says:

    And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
    The NIV splits this verse into two verses: In verse 7, it says:

    For there are three that testify (bear witness)
    In verse 8, it says:

    the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
    The true verse 7 has been removed. In the KJB, verse 7 says:

    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
    This is no insignificant verse. This is the clearest statement of the doctrine of the Trinity in the entire Bible. Is this verse unimportant? Would God want it removed?

    But the problems with the NIV do not stop there. In addition to the verses that have been omitted entirely, thousands of verses have partial omissions. Many who have studied this issue in much greater detail than I, have stated that the missing words are in excess of 64,000 - not counting the additions. Remember what God said about those who take away from or add to his words. (Rev. 22:18-19)

    Let me give you a few examples of verses that contain these kinds of omissions. In the KJB, the Lord’s Prayer reads in Luke 11:2-4 as follows:

    Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
    The underlined portions are missing in the NIV. In Matthew 27:35, the KJB says:

    And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, THEY PARTED MY GARMENTS AMONG THEM, AND UPON MY VESTURE DID THEY CAST LOTS.
    Again, the underlined portions are missing in the NIV, hiding the fact that this verse is a fulfillment of Psalm 22:18. A full 26 words have been omitted this time.

    Substantial portions have been removed from hundreds of verses in addition to these. Many key words have also been removed. For example, the word "Christ" has been removed dozens of times. (Rom. 1:16; Acts 16:31; etc.) The word "Jesus" has been removed dozens of times. (Matt. 8:29; 2 Cor. 5:18; etc.) The word "Lord" has also been removed in a number of places.

    Are There Errors in God’s Word?

    John 17:17 says:

    Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
    In addition to the omissions in the NIV, one of its most disturbing problems is the fact that it contains many outright errors. For example, who killed Goliath? I know that the answer to this question seems obvious. David, right? Well, it’s not so obvious in the NIV. In 2 Samuel 21:19 the NIV says:

    In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.
    The KJB has the correct reading, for it says that Elhanan killed Goliath’s brother. This is confirmed in 1 Chronicles 20:5. The KJB says:

    And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver’s beam.
    Once again, the NIV is in error. It is also seen to conflict with itself, for it says David killed Goliath in 1 Sam. 21:8-9.

    One of the most disturbing changes occurs in Isaiah 14:12. The KJB says:

    How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer ...
    This passage records Satan’s (Lucifer’s) rebellion against God, and how he was cast out of Heaven.

    The NIV says:

    How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star ...
    In this passage, "Lucifer" has been changed to "Morning Star". This is frightening because the Bible defines the Morning Star as Jesus Christ. Revelation 22:16 says:

    I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
    In the NIV, it is Jesus Christ (the Morning Star) and not Satan that rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven. That is outright blasphemy. Satan has pulled off quite a disappearing act. Not only has he been removed from the text, Jesus Christ has been inserted in his place.

    I think, by this point, many of you are beginning to see that there are some very serious problems with the NIV. Let’s look at a few more errors. Matthew 5:22 in the KJB says:

    But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment ..
    The phrase, without a cause, has been removed in the NIV. This would make Jesus Christ a sinner in Mark 3:5, where the Bible says that he was angry. The NIV implies that Jesus is a sinner, despite the fact that the Bible says that he never sinned and is without sin (2 Cor. 5:21; Heb. 4:15).

    We find another error in Mark 1:2. The NIV says:

    It is written in Isaiah the prophet: "I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way"
    This is actually a quotation of Malachi 3:1. The King James has the proper reading, for it says "as it is written in the prophets". Verse 2 is quoting Malachi, and Verse 3 is quoting Isaiah.

    Doctrinal Differences

    Many of the changes in the NIV, including some that we have already looked at, affect doctrine. For example, the deity of Christ (the fact that Jesus Christ is God) is attacked in a number of places. One example is 1 Timothy 3:16. The KJB says:

    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
    The NIV has changed "God" to "He". This is a big difference. In this verse, the KJB clearly states that Jesus Christ is God, and in the NIV it does not.

    Many times I have heard those who support the NIV say, "No doctrine is affected by the changes in the new Bible versions." We have just seen that it is. What they really mean is that no doctrine has been removed entirely. That is, there is still another verse in the Bible somewhere that teaches the doctrine. So then, they believe it is perfectly OK to remove a doctrine in one place as long as they do not obliterate it entirely.

    By this same logic, would it be OK with God if we removed the entire Gospel of Mark? After all, most of the doctrines taught in Mark are also taught in Matthew or Luke. No. This is faulty reasoning, and there is no excuse to remove even one word from God’s words.

    In the KJB in Luke 4:4, Jesus says:

    By the way, "BUT BY EVERY WORD OF GOD" has been removed in the NIV. If you want to have the words of God, EVERY WORD OF GOD, get a copy of the Authorized King James Bible.


    So, is the NIV the Word of God? We have seen omissions ranging from one word to entire verses. We have seen errors ranging from misquoting a prophet, to the removal of Lucifer (Satan) and the insertion of Jesus Christ in his place. We have even seen changes affecting the doctrine of the deity of Christ. After examining the evidence, could you say that the NIV is the Word of God? Could you call the NIV "HOLY BIBLE?"
    - johnecash August 2, 2012, 12:37 pm
    That is extremely sexist. If a woman doesn't "cry out," that means she wants sex. Seriously?!
    - Logos385 August 2, 2012, 12:40 pm
    Ok, Prophet. I'll try and condense the conversation (at least between us two, I am separate from Johne) into this post and its subsequent replies.

    1. You clearly believe the Bible as truth, I disagree.
    2. You clearly believe part of the Bible, according to your interpretation, does not apply any longer.
    3. That part of the Bible which you say does not apply is the part that can be construed to condemn homosexuality.
    4. The part of the Bible which you say DOES apply says absolutely nothing about homosexuality. Period. Less than .01% of the Bible says anything about homosexuality at all. It says more about promoting slavery than it does about homosexuality.
    5. The ENTIRE BIble says NOTHING about gay marriage. Nothing. Not a single word. Any stance against gay marriage is your inference. You guessing at what you think your deity is trying to subtly say. If this was so important to that deity, to deny people he created love, don't you think he would have said something about it??

    - Logos385 August 2, 2012, 12:46 pm
    Logos I have very little patience for those who use religion, Christianity in particular to condemn anyone. In my eyes they do have a special place in hell.
    - johnecash August 2, 2012, 2:12 pm
    I think that's quite a leap. I don't think he meant evil when he said "wrong." I think he meant more along the lines of just something he just doesn't agree with.
    But I do agree with your other comments, most gay people can't help it (not a choice) so calling their sexual preference wrong would be the same as calling the person wrong.
    My point is that a large majority of people don't think that gay people are evil, they just don't agree with the lifestyle.
    Like for example, I myself don't agree with being gay, I just don't understand how a man can find another man sexually attractive (why I'm not gay). But at the same time I understand that most gay people are born that way and it's completely natural to them. I believe that everyone should have equal rights no matter the race or sexual preference. If gays or anyone else wants to get married they should have every right to do so, it is their life and nobody should be able to tell them they cannot marry if they wish to do so. But at the same time you cannot expect everyone to "agree" with homosexuality, they themselves are not gay and cannot be expected to agree with something they don't understand. You can disagree with a viewpoint without considering it "evil."

    Edit: Upon further investigation I have found out this conversation went on waaaaaay past how far I cared to read lol
    But my point still stands SOME people can disagree with something without considering it evil
    - imfrikknbad August 2, 2012, 2:28 pm
    Accurate. However, you are using a different connotation of "disagree" than most of the dissenters in this post X D. To simply not be gay is a way of disagreement, however, when most say they "disagree" with the lifestyle, what they really mean is "disapprove."
    - Logos385 August 2, 2012, 2:39 pm
    True :/
    It's a shame that people have to be like that.
    - imfrikknbad August 2, 2012, 2:43 pm
    Good : ). Haha.
    - Logos385 August 2, 2012, 2:45 pm
    Absolutely agreed.
    - Logos385 August 2, 2012, 2:46 pm
    2. You clearly believe part of the Bible, according to your interpretation, does not apply any longer.
    I really want to just address this one considering if I elaborate I will make my self more clear. I believe all the bible applies, however how things were treated in the Old Testament are longer apply. The sins in the Old Testament are still sins; however, we do not kill those people because of them, we forgive them. That is what Jesus taught. So that means just because someone is gay we don't stone them to death in town square. That's what I meant I apologize for not making that clear.
    Then I just want to touch up on #5: "5. The ENTIRE BIble says NOTHING about gay marriage. Nothing. Not a single word. Any stance against gay marriage is your inference. You guessing at what you think your deity is trying to subtly say. If this was so important to that deity, to deny people he created love, don't you think he would have said something about it??"
    You are completely right on saying that anything about our opinion on gay marriage is inference, but if the Bible says homosexuality is wrong then why who homosexual marriage be right (to be honest I didn't know we were talking about this)? Now that last part about denying love, I don't quite understand. I love my brother and I love my friends (male and female alike), I don't think God is denying anyone love. I am no expert on marriage or how that all the works, but love is love. I honestly don't think two men getting married is right (personal opinion), because homosexuality is wrong and marriage between two men would just encourage sexually immoral sin.
    - prophethorris August 2, 2012, 4:12 pm
    and you gather all your information to make life decisions from a book that is incomplete and leaves out passages, changes words and meaning. Ever seen what happens when you make a copy of a copy of a copy of a . . . before too long the original message and picture is no longer understandable. You sir are reading a book that has been edited and cop-pied god knows how many times. Each time it was edited with people who have an agenda. Since your book is so unreliable you now must fill in the blanks. While its true having sex is a sin, it says nothing about sex after marriage for gays. You assume its a sin. Block by block, stone by stone, you are paving your way to hell with good intentions. Either God is wrong for how he created gays, or man is wrong for thinking they know better than god work.
    - johnecash August 2, 2012, 4:28 pm
    "I believe all the bible applies, however how things were treated in the Old Testament are longer apply."
    This means, along with your next statement, that women who are raped are still sinning. Does this make sense?
    The entire point of marriage is love. That's what I mean by denying love.

    If the Old Testament still judges what is wrong and what is not, then shaving is wrong. Wearing mixed fabrics is wrong. Women speaking in church is wrong. It's either you disallow all of these things and gay marriage, or you disallow none of these, including gay marriage.

    Either way, marriage is not a religious thing. It changes a status with the State. Thus, this religious... "hooey"... should have no bearing on whether or not gay marriage is an acceptable practice.
    - Logos385 August 2, 2012, 6:18 pm
    - johnecash August 6, 2012, 5:08 pm
  • 4

    I want to buy a Chick-fil-a franchise and hire as many gay employees as I can find and watch the headlines roll in.

    >Apply for a job at your newly acquired Chick-fil-A franchise
    >Won't get hired because i'm not gay
    >File discrimination lawsuit, sue for everything you have
    >Acquire restaurant from you
    >All the chicken sandwiches i can have
    >Die an orgasmic Chick-fil-A sandwich induced death
    - MalverdeAl100 July 29, 2012, 1:13 am
    I like your style but it wouldn't work because I said as many gay people as I could find, not only gay people. Damn I want some Chick-fil-a now but they just closed and they're not open tomorrow. FML
    - bostonboy86 July 29, 2012, 1:16 am
    It's a joke you pedantic fuckface! Same here. I bought a calendar from them back in January. Comes with a coupon at the bottom of each page for free shit. I think next month's free item is a Spicy Chicken Sandwich. Aw yiss.
    - MalverdeAl100 July 29, 2012, 1:20 am
    No need for that kind of language sir. Pedantic? That's kinda harsh. On another note, where the fucking fuck did you get a fucking calendar with coupons for free fucking chicken? I must get one of those fucking things.
    - bostonboy86 July 29, 2012, 1:23 am
    Haha. And i got it from fucking Chick-fil-A, where else would you fucking expect me to buy a fucking CHICK-FIL-A calendar from you fuck? I don't think they fucking sell them anymore though. Like i fucking said i got it in fucking January. Went to go eat their during my break with my fucking co-workers since it was right across the fucking street. The girl that sold it to me was fucking fine as fuck. Only costed $7 can you fucking believe that? She also said i was "awesome" for being the first person to buy one from her.

    She totally wanted my dick.
    - MalverdeAl100 July 29, 2012, 1:28 am
    Haahaa. Holy fuck dude. She totally wanted to fucking fuck you. I fucking wish I had one of those fucking calendars. Only 7 fucking dollars. That's the price of 2 fucking sandwiches. You fucking lucky ass fuck. Fuck you for being so fucking lucky.
    - bostonboy86 July 29, 2012, 1:31 am
    - drakengard85 August 1, 2012, 6:30 am
  • 4

    To boycott something simply because they have differing views is absurd. I could understand if they were denying service to someone simply because of their sexual orientation, but they are not. Many people will have views apart from yours, you can't boycott everything. Anyway, what I am getting at, is if you are boycotting chick-fil-a because of this, you're no better than the fundies themselves. Good-day.

    This is why sense day one you have always been my favorite member-common sense
    - Kodi93 July 31, 2012, 2:02 am
    It's not because they have a different view. It's because the money spent there gets donated to hate groups who are actively fighting gay marriage legalization. Christ, how many times does this have to be repeated before it penetrates you people's skulls....
    - Ertrov July 31, 2012, 9:41 am
    I would have to disagree. While it is true that Chik-Fil-A is moderately acceptable in terms of hiring policy and general workplace conduct, I would have to imagine this creating at least a mildly hostile work environment for LGBTQ employees. Knowing that you are directly assisting a cause that denies you fundamental civil rights by just earning a living... how hard would it be to get up and go to work every day? That just seems psychologically disastrous.

    Furthermore, if this was simply a difference in opinion, that would be one thing. But instead, this is a major food chain who very, very publicly is working against social progression and working toward denying civil rights to a sizable portion of the American public. A portion that comprises many of their consumers and employees. That's why they are worthy of boycott.
    - Logos385 July 31, 2012, 9:56 am
    just wondering, i have no dog in this hunt, but as the pic up top ask do you also boycott oil?
    - johnecash July 31, 2012, 12:38 pm
    I would if I could and still function, but due to where I live, I have to drive. It sucks, and I fight that injustice in every way I can, but unfortunately a boycott is just not possible in that case. In the case of the restaurant though, well I don't need their food to go through everyday life, lol.
    - Ertrov July 31, 2012, 1:30 pm
    Why not get a diesel power car and make biodiseal. There are ways around buying gas. My VW Passat TDI has not ever been to the gas station. I make my own. I spend about 6 hours a week picking up oil and mixing it together at my home. That being said don't get high and ride me with, the smell of french fries might drive you crazy.
    - johnecash July 31, 2012, 1:52 pm
    Well, there's no way I can afford a new car right now, but making it is a good idea. I'll look into that possibility, I appreciate the suggestion.
    - Ertrov July 31, 2012, 2:03 pm
    Don't buy a new car to convert it, but a 5 or 10 year old car.
    - johnecash July 31, 2012, 2:07 pm
    Thanks. Looks like somebody likes to downrate my posts lol. My money's on MalverdeAl100.
    - Ertrov July 31, 2012, 2:53 pm
    When some one down rates you or up rates you all it means is your word have stuck with them.
    PS the US Federal Government is doing the correct thing here. Nothing. There is no one in the US who has ever been married by the US. Everyone here is married according to state law. The feds have no control over it and nor should they. Its a state issue. Here in the us we have 50 Laboratories of democracy to experiment with. Some states are for it, some are against. That's what makes this country great.
    Also I gave you a point just to get your spirit up. If some one likes or dislikes your message is never as important as did your message resonate with them.
    - johnecash July 31, 2012, 2:57 pm
    Yeah? No. You now owe me a million pretzels.

    P.S. Here's some proof to show you i didn't downrate your precious comments. Also so i can get my fucking pretzels.

    - MalverdeAl100 July 31, 2012, 3:02 pm
    We don't always agree Johne. But right now I think that you're right on the money.
    - Jofus1992 July 31, 2012, 3:04 pm
    I agree with you on this Logos. I don't so much care about what the CEO's personal beliefs are and what he donates money too. Actually I couldn't give a flying fuck what his personal beliefs are. As long as there is no discrimination on hiring I think he has done no wrong doing.
    - Jofus1992 July 31, 2012, 3:07 pm
    Marriage in not a civil right, its a state right, here in the US. The fed has no place in marriage, never has and I hope never will. Some states are for it, some are not. Thats the beauty of the US, we may experiment with social laws.
    - johnecash July 31, 2012, 3:46 pm
    Marriage is a fundamental right, as I stated. It is true that, for now, marriage is mostly handled by the states. However, the federal government, in Loving v. Virginia, did absolutely declare that marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man." According to the nation, marriage is, in fact, a civil right.
    - Logos385 July 31, 2012, 3:54 pm
    Hmm, which part(s) do you agree with? Because my ultimate conclusion in that post was that Chik-Fil-A was, in fact, worthy of boycott : ).

    I do agree, though, that it is good that there is no hiring discrimination : P.
    - Logos385 July 31, 2012, 3:55 pm
    Very good point. Though I am not sure the case you site would be applicable due to the fact that it was about race and not sexual orientation. Yet my counter point would be, or rather my question would be who has ever been married by the Fed Gov? It has always been by the state. I could be wrong.
    - johnecash July 31, 2012, 4:03 pm
    Well, either way, that case does show that "marriage" is a civil right, however, then the discussion becomes what does marriage mean, etc. etc. etc. Haha.

    And that's an interesting take on it. I know there's no federal marriage license, but I do wonder how Washington DC handles marriage. Hm, that could be fun to look at : ).

    However, "civil" rights are simply rights guaranteed to citizens, and I am pretty sure that applies to this situation. Either way (whether or not "civil" applies here) I would argue that fundamental still does : P.
    - Logos385 July 31, 2012, 4:08 pm
    well done. u done learned me today.
    - johnecash July 31, 2012, 4:13 pm
    Hahaha, I don't know about that, but I did miss our discussions.
    - Logos385 July 31, 2012, 4:17 pm
    When the time is right ill bring the fire and brimstone with me.
    - johnecash July 31, 2012, 4:25 pm
    All of it for the most part. A hostile work environment isn't a huge concern of mine. Obviously it could cause major problems but in my particular line of work no one gives a damn about feelings or anything like that. In reality how many people that work for them are so emotionally disturbed by their actions that it inhibits their ability to effectively do their job? I would think that the minimum wage (or close to it), irregular hours, and lack of benefits would be more of cause for concern for their workers.
    - Jofus1992 July 31, 2012, 5:51 pm
    - Logos385 August 1, 2012, 1:38 am
    Very fair point. I obviously haven't been in that situation, so I wouldn't know. I mean, with the extent to which the human brain can compartmentalize, I hope they just completely separate their work and politics. For their own good!
    - Logos385 August 1, 2012, 1:40 am
    I think that the majority of people can.
    - Jofus1992 August 1, 2012, 2:20 am
    Told ya I would bring the fire and brimstone ;)
    - johnecash August 1, 2012, 9:26 am
    Yes, probably. However, I think that, if I was in some comparable situation, it would eat away at me.
    - Logos385 August 1, 2012, 10:45 am
    If we always agreed this would be no fun. But thanks for compliment non the less.
    - johnecash August 1, 2012, 1:54 pm
    I'm not completly tossing away the notion that if someone worked there in that particular situation that it wouldn't bother them. But if they need a job, and as long as they aren't be persecuted in the workplace then it really be that big of a deal.
    - Jofus1992 August 1, 2012, 2:36 pm
  • 3

    I'm pro gay marriage but I'm also pro food has no politics. Really I just don't give enough of a fuck to care. I would have thought my gay neighbors would have been up in arms about this, nope they gave about as much of a shit as I did. Now if he came out and said anyone who stones a queer gets free food for a week then yeah I would show more concern about the whole thing but he hasn't so I won't

    I'm not bothered as much by what he said (well I am but his opinion doesn't really matter to me), what rustles my jimmies is the company actively helping hate groups monetarily that do try and fight equality in the legal system.
    - Ertrov July 29, 2012, 1:19 am
    see and even that doesn't get me up in a twist, I got all that out of my system during high school when I would argue with the LDS seminary students on matters like gay marriage and why they are bitching at me for drinking coffee while they drink pop (never understood what the logic of that was).
    - triclebickle July 29, 2012, 1:24 am
    And that's fine. But don't think we're just doing this because it offends us or something. It's to actually make a difference beyond arguing the validity of gay marriage.
    - Ertrov July 29, 2012, 1:26 am
    I'm confused when was I thinking this?
    - triclebickle July 29, 2012, 1:31 am
    Wasn't accusing you of it. That's just what a lot of people seem to think of this movement, so I wanted to clarify.
    - Ertrov July 29, 2012, 1:33 am
    I'm not one of these people.
    - triclebickle July 29, 2012, 1:56 am
    Good on you, Jim.
    - Ertrov July 29, 2012, 2:01 am
    *starts crying* My name's not Jim.
    - triclebickle July 29, 2012, 2:07 am
    - Ertrov July 29, 2012, 2:10 am
  • 2

    Meh, Chick-fil-a has shitty food anyways. Why not just get the bad tasting chicken at McDonalds if you like bad tasting chicken instead? At least there you get some bomb ass fries

    Haha no. Waffle fries with black pepper. Even the new sweet potato fries from BK are better than those thin under-salted cold things over at McDonalds
    - MalverdeAl100 July 29, 2012, 1:41 am
    Lol, BK. McDonalds always has the best fries where I am, always hella hot and salted. Plus it's right on my way home from college and they haven't messed up my order in a while now :)
    - casper667 July 29, 2012, 2:10 am
    I prefer A&W, but as a Canuck I like to go down to Tim Hortons from time to time.
    - CrazyJay July 29, 2012, 6:33 pm
    Well, as an ex-californian, In & Out is THE BEST fast food burger, but where I am in texas they don't have In & Out :(
    - casper667 July 30, 2012, 5:50 am
    Five Guys.
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 8:27 am
  • 2

    I think everyone should just smoke a blunt a chill the fuck out

    • Kodi93
    • July 29, 2012, 6:33 am
  • 2

    425158 192223944241349 375186773 n - chick-fil-a

    • Kodi93
    • July 30, 2012, 7:38 pm
  • 1

    but i dont need gasoline i dont even have a car

    So you don't use any of these items?

    • plastic ties
    • row cover
    • irrigation piping
    • polyethylene
    • polypropylene
    • bags and packaging
    • pesticides and herbicides
    • food preservatives
    • fertilizers
    Clothing and Textiles
    • ballet tights
    • nylon cord
    • everything polyester: blouses, pants, pajamas etc.
    • everything permanent press: shirts, dresses etc.
    • beads
    • bracelets
    • pantyhose
    • nylon zippers
    • plastic hangers
    • purses
    • thongs and flip flops
    • earrings
    • ribbons
    • fake fur
    • windbreakers
    • sandals
    • garment bags
    • shoe laces
    • rain coats
    • iron-on patches
    • sneakers
    • sweaters
    • sofa pillow material
    • tote bags
    • umbrellas
    Around the Office
    • ball point pens
    • diskettes
    • thermometer
    • Ink
    • computers
    • business card holders
    • copiers
    • waste baskets
    • calculators
    • printer cartridges
    • microfilm
    • name tags
    • binders
    • erasers
    • rulers
    • scotch tape
    • magic markers
    • telephones
    Sports, Hobbies and Games
    • backpacks
    • fishing lures
    • air mattresses
    • cameras
    • beach balls
    • fishing poles
    • hang gliders
    • vinyl cases
    • footballs
    • glue containers
    • puzzles
    • darts
    • Frisbees
    • golf ball and golf bags
    • shotgun shells
    • ear plugs
    • knitting needles
    • waterproof clothing
    • stadium cushions
    • earphones
    • yarn
    • kites
    • tennis racquets
    • fabric dye
    • decoys
    • lifejackets
    • nylon strings
    • face protectors
    • volley balls
    • model cars
    • plastic water guns
    • fishing bobbers
    • soccer balls
    • oil paints
    • parachutes
    • fishing cylume
    • light sticks
    • earphones
    • playing cards
    • photographs
    • monofilament fishing lines
    • diving boards
    • poker chips
    • goggles
    • rollerskate and skateboard wheels
    • whistles
    • guitar strings
    • picks
    • rafts
    • ice chests
    • tents
    • sleeping bags
    • pole vaulting poles
    • motorcycle helmets
    • skis, water skis
    • rubber cement
    • plastic flowerpots
    • hot tub covers
    • sails
    • snorkels
    • monkey bars
    • photo albums
    • wet suits
    • flippers
    • tennis balls
    • boats
    • insulated boots
    Infants and Children
    • acrylic toys
    • baby oil
    • laundry baskets
    • waterproof pants
    • baby aspirin
    • bath soap
    • mittens
    • pacifiers
    • baby blankets
    • bibs
    • rattles
    • doubleknit shirts
    • baby bottles
    • disposable diapers
    • baby shoes
    • teething rings
    • nipples and binkies
    • dolls
    • stuffed animals
    • baby lotion
    Sports, Hobbies and Games
    • allergy medication
    • cotton-tipped swabs
    • inhalers
    • liquid Pepto-Bismol
    • aspirin
    • first aid cream
    • lancets
    • pill cases
    • band aids
    • first aid kits
    • latex gloves
    • prescription bottles
    • burn lotion
    • glycerin
    • mosquito spray
    • rubbing alcohol
    • chap stick
    • heart valve replacement
    • nasal decongestant
    • surgical tape
    • syringes
    • Vaseline
    • antiseptics
    • hearing aids
    • anesthetics
    • artificial limbs
    • eyeglasses and sunglasses
    • antihistamines
    • cortisone
    • vaporizers
    • denture adhesives
    • laxatives
    • Bactine
    • oxygen masks
    • stethoscopes
    • prescription glasses
    • cough syrup
    • hearing aids
    Kitchen and Household
    • vinegar bottles
    • egg cartons
    • meat trays
    • trash bags
    • breadboxes
    • freezer containers
    • melamine dishware
    • tumblers
    • cake decorations
    • jars
    • microwave dishes
    • utensils
    • candles
    • freezer bags
    • milk jugs
    • vacuum bottles
    • coasters
    • gelatin molds
    • nylon spatulas
    • wax paper
    • coffee pots
    • ice cream scoops
    • oven bags
    • mops
    • drinking cups
    • ice trays
    • plastic containers
    • fabric softener
    • detergent bottles
    • plastic table service
    • drain stoppers
    • dish drainers
    • lunch boxes
    • pudding molds
    • sponges
    • dish scrubbers
    • brushes
    • baggies
    • drinking straws
    • Styrofoam
    • paper cup dispensers
    • measuring cups
    • Teflon coated pans
    • table cloths
    • refrigerator shelves
    • cologne
    • hair brushes
    • lipstick
    • permanent wave curlers
    • perfume
    • hair color
    • mascara
    • petroleum jelly
    • comb
    • foam rubber curlers
    • shampoo
    • contact lenses and cases
    • hair spray
    • hand lotion
    • shaving foam
    • hair dryers
    • shoe inserts
    • dentures
    • body lotion
    • face masks
    • skin cleanser
    • deodorants
    • moisturizing cream
    • soap holders
    • disposable razors
    • leather conditioner
    • mouthwash
    • sunglasses
    • facial toner
    • lens cleanser
    • nail polish
    • sunscreen
    • tooth brushes
    • toothpaste tubes
    • vitamins
    • synthetic wigs
    • bubble bath
    • soap capsules
    • carpet padding
    • Naugahyde
    • Venetian blinds
    • TV cabinets
    • extension cords
    • picture frames
    • flocked wallpaper
    • shower doors
    • Formica
    • refrigerator lining
    • vinyl wallpaper
    • curtains
    • kitchen carpet
    • shag carpet
    • welcome mats
    • fan blades
    • lamps
    • shower curtain
    • patio furniture
    • swings
    • linoleum
    • upholstery
    • rugs
    Building and Home
    • caulking material
    • light switch plates
    • plungers
    • faucet washers
    • clotheslines
    • measuring tape
    • polyurethane stain
    • water pipes
    • electric saws
    • paintbrushes
    • propane bottles
    • wood floor cleaner/wax
    • vinyl electrical tape
    • plastic pipe
    • shingles (asphalt)
    • light panels
    • garden hoses
    • plastic wood spackling paste
    • awnings
    • glazing compound
    • Plexiglas
    • spray paint
    • enamel
    • epoxy paint
    • artificial turf
    • folding doors
    • floor wax
    • glue
    • house paint
    • paint rollers
    • toilet seats
    • water pipes
    • putty
    • solvents
    • roofing material
    • plywood adhesive
    • sockets
    • propane
    • antifreeze
    • flat tire fix
    • street paving (asphalt)
    • car battery cases
    • coolant
    • motor oil
    • tires
    • loud speakers
    • bearing grease
    • sports car bodies
    • traffic cones
    • car enamel
    • brake fluid
    • dashboards
    • windshield wipers
    • visors
    • car sound insulation
    • oil filters
    • car seats
    • convertible tops
    • fan belts
    • gasoline
    • ash trays
    • dog food dishes
    • toolboxes
    • CDs and DVDs
    • balloons
    • dog leashes
    • tape recorders
    • synthetic rubber
    • bubble gum
    • dog toys
    • flashlights
    • nylon ropes
    • bungee straps
    • flight bags
    • disposable lighters
    • cassette player
    • flea collars
    • flutes
    • lighter fluid
    • cigarette cases
    • electric blankets
    • tool racks
    • name tags
    • cigarette filters
    • ammonia
    • newspaper tubes
    • calibrated containers
    • insect repellent
    • phonograph records (vinyl)
    • crayons
    • ice buckets
    • dyes
    • pillows
    • credit cards
    • flashlights
    • fly swatters
    • plastic cup holders
    • dice
    • movie and camera film
    • k-resin
    • rain bonnets
    • luggage
    • video cassettes
    • charcoal lighter
    • rayon
    • safety glasses, gloves, hats
    • shoe polish
    • signs
    • cassette tapes
    • toys
    • watch bands
    • waterproof boots
    • shopping bags
    • bedspreads
    • checkbooks
    • covers
    • tobacco pouches
    • clothes hangers
    • flea collars
    • flavors
    • masking tape
    • safety flares
    • flags
    • butane
    - Jofus1992 July 29, 2012, 1:05 am
    - bostonboy86 July 29, 2012, 1:09 am
    - casper667 July 29, 2012, 1:22 am
    you had me at fake fur
    - castlewarsisawsome July 29, 2012, 11:14 am
    We thought this was Spam at first... Such a big list.
    - Dawn July 29, 2012, 6:41 pm
    It's amazing how many things in our modern society use petroleum products. I was starstruck myself.
    - Jofus1992 July 31, 2012, 2:39 am
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    The difference being that we can live without Chick-anti-gay. It's very difficult for most people to reach their jobs/stores/other essential places without a car.

    Either way, this is a logical fallacy. You're basically saying, "Unless you can do everything good, do nothing good."

    The fact that a lot of people don't want to eat at a restaurant owned by a homophobic, bigoted neanderthal is a good thing. It'll just be nice when homophobia goes the way of racism, and becomes no longer socially acceptable, since both are equally primitive, pointless, stupid, and wrong. To put it lightly.

    • Ertrov
    • July 29, 2012, 12:20 am
    You can live without gasoline if you really, really, really wanted to. But that would be far too inconvenient. You could find somewhere to live closer to work so you could walk or ride a bike. Of course there would be no way in America to live your life completely free from petroleum products but if one truly wished to one could stop from buying gasoline products. I'm not saying, "Unless you can do everything good, do nothing good." at all. I just don't that one could take such a stand by protesting one's business on the fact that he is a bigot when an enormous group of bigots runs an organization that you have undoubtedly spent countless amounts of money on and you will continue to spend money on for the rest of your life. And obviously, the bigots of OPEC are hundreds of times worse than the CEO of Chick-fil-a. I lived with Arabs for 7 1/2 months, I know for sure. 95% of them are foul, disgusting, and bigoted people.

    I'm not against gay marriage. I think gays have every right to marry each other. There are plenty of strait people who desecrate the "sancity" of marriage every day by not taking thier vows seriously and infidelity. So why not let gay people get married? I'm sure there would be some gay people who would cheat, not take the vows seriously, ect. But at the same time some would be a great married couple.
    - Jofus1992 July 29, 2012, 12:57 am
    So again, it goes back to my point of, why not? You're only example is "because others are even worse". Ok, that's true. Fine. Let's do as much as we can, but why give up on the basis that we can't help in every case? This is somewhere we can make a difference, and also use it as an example to other companies.

    I doubt you'd go to someone helping their grandmother across the street and say, "Oh, I guess you only help old people when it's convenient and personal. You should be volunteering at the old folks home and the hospital and doing everything humanly possible to help old people. This here is just a drop in the ocean, pal."
    - Ertrov July 29, 2012, 1:09 am
    So your stand to fight against homosexual bigotry has a pricetag? What good exactly is going to come out of this proverbial "drop in the ocean"?
    - Jofus1992 July 29, 2012, 1:11 am
    I'm sorry that last comment may have been a little too unwell thought out. I honestly just don't see what good protesting chick-fil-a will do for homosexuals.
    - Jofus1992 July 29, 2012, 1:14 am
    The good it will do is that other people who haven't heard about the situation (you'd be surprised how many haven't) will be informed and may choose to eat elsewhere. Every dent in their profits is less money donated to the hate groups, and therefore less power behind those fighting against equal rights in the legal system.
    - Ertrov July 29, 2012, 1:17 am
    If you say so. I don't protest companies like Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream, Hallmark, Levi Strauss & Co., Sara Lee foods, or Time Warner even though they are pro-gun control. I am for gun control. Any profits that they make off me can just be counter-acted by me donating to a pro-guns organization. If you really want to get back at Chick-fil-a just donate money to a pro-gay group.
    - Jofus1992 July 29, 2012, 1:35 am
    They've donated over two million dollars. Even with the combined resources of people who want to help the cause, that's a high goal to reach. And I do donate to causes I believe in. But I also boycott causes I'm against. That way it's a double-whammy.
    - Ertrov July 29, 2012, 1:38 am
    Here's the problem with that comparison: Owning a gun is a choice, being gay is not. There are reasonable arguments to be made on both sides of the gun debate, along with varying degrees. But with homosexuality? Any argument against gay marriage (or at least any I'm aware of) come out of bigotry. It's a judgement based on something you have no control over. Which isn't something that a huge company should be able to get away with.
    - CrazyJay July 30, 2012, 2:12 am
    I see your point. I was merely trying to make a loose connection. I concede to Ertrov. Like I said, I'm not against gay marriage myself. I honestly don't see what good protesting a fast-food restaurant will do in this fight.
    - Jofus1992 July 30, 2012, 3:27 pm
    I get that, but society can't tolerate intolerance, you know what I mean? My point was that a businesses like that really have no excuse for being anti-gay so they should be called out on it. As should the makers of these other products you mentioned. Bit of consumer/gov't pressure couldn't hurt, could it?
    - CrazyJay July 30, 2012, 9:25 pm
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    What's wrong with being anti-gay?

    The same thing that's wrong with being racist or sexist. It's saying someone is wrong because of a part of their biology.
    - Ertrov July 29, 2012, 1:59 pm
    I don't think there is anything wrong with being anti-gay. If you don't support it, you don't support it.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 29, 2012, 3:00 pm
    But why not support it? Doesn't negatively impact your life. Just allows two consenting adults to be together. Nothing objectionable about it.
    - CrazyJay July 29, 2012, 6:36 pm
    Jj, being anti-gay is just like jay said, just as bad as being racist. i can garentee that you have never looked at a racist, saying horrible things about your race and insulting you, and said "oh there is nothing wrong with that"
    - demonickid July 29, 2012, 9:40 pm
    Because you don't feel that it is right?
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 12:15 am
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Racists may be racists because of experiences or just for no reason at all. I personally don't care whether or not gays are allowed to marry but if it was my choice, I'd oppose it.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 12:17 am
    But why? Even if it's "just your opinion", which is a bullshit argument since an opinion that can't be backed doesn't have any value.
    - CrazyJay July 30, 2012, 2:05 am
    And that makes you a bigot, and no better than a racist. Simple as that.
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 2:14 am
    If you make judgements based on what you feel when it goes against the facts, then that's just illogical.
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 8:28 am
    Opinions don't always have to be backed. That's why their opinions.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 11:51 am
    If you can say you support it I can say I oppose it. Simple as that.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 11:52 am
    What facts are you talking about? This is more of morality and personal belief than fact.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 11:53 am
    Sure, you can. But there's no reason to beyond hateful bigotry. That makes you a bigot. See? It's fun to think things through!
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 11:58 am
    Decades of research done in psychology that's shown homosexuality to be perfectly normal behavior. Biological evidence such as the presence of homosexuality in hundreds of species, ours being one of many. Hell, even theologians are starting to admit the Bible isn't really as much against it as people claim, if you believe in all that. Those facts. And if your personal beliefs aren't based on fact, than they are irrelevant. Keep them to yourself please, rather than using them to deny equal rights.
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 12:01 pm
    They have to if you want them to matter at all. Opinions based on nothing don't matter to anyone else.
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 12:01 pm
    No. Normal is what is common. What's common is a hetero-relationship.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 12:03 pm
    I'd be a bigot if I said you were wrong I am right. I'm saying Chic-fil-A can have whatever political views they want.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 12:06 pm
    So the majority is what's normal? Ok, so I guess there's also something wrong with african americans, since they're a minority. And people with green eyes, or red hair.

    Just because the majority of people are hetero doesn't mean that the rest are abnormal.
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 12:08 pm
    My goal is not to get my opinion to matter to everyone, it's to state my position.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 12:09 pm
    And the views they happen to have make them bigots. Because they're bigoted views. I'm not sure if you're just being stubborn, or if you really can't comprehend the concept.
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 12:09 pm
    Then please never vote on any of these issues. Stick to spreading your ignorance online where you won't harm others.
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 12:10 pm
    People are born black. People naturally have green eyes or red hair. A man and a man can not create a child. A woman and a woman cannot create a child. It is not normal.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 12:12 pm
    Arrogant. Seems like you're the bigot here.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 12:13 pm
    There are also people who are born sterile, and can never reproduce, even with the opposite sex. The ability to reproduce has nothing to do with who you're sexually attracted to.

    Frankly, you strike me as someone who's never even read anything against your position. Your lack of knowledge in the most basic areas of psychology is mind-boggling.
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 12:14 pm
    But they have the right to have those views.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 12:15 pm
    Bigotry implies prejudice, and arrogance based upon assumptions of being right. I don't assume. I just understand human rights enough to understand why equality is important, and I understand logic enough to recognize a shitty opinion.
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 12:16 pm
    You didn't read between the lines. I was referring more to the science behind reproduction rather than just reproduction. 2 men can't make a child, neither 2 women hence it was not intended for them to be together.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 12:18 pm
    If you say so, bigot.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 12:19 pm
    A sterile man and a fertile woman can't have a child. I guess they shouldn't be together either, right? Your logic reeks of bullshit.
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 12:32 pm
    I'm not going to bother. Also, since when has logic governed this world? It would be nice if it did, but clearly, is not present in today's world.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 12:38 pm
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 12:39 pm
    Syrian massacres, North Korean dictatorship, African Warfare, stupid shit in the US. You call that logical?
    - Jjbigscreeners July 30, 2012, 12:42 pm
    No we can't make children but dangnabit we keep on trying.

    Just a point to consider or not homosexual relations occur in the animal kingdom which still runs on basal instinct to survive, so there's got to be some reason for it.

    Anyways don't like it don't get involved with it keep your oppinion to yourself and ill keep mine, eh?
    - HippyBoy July 31, 2012, 12:51 pm
    You can do everything but marry. Life isn't that bad.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 31, 2012, 1:43 pm
    Because denying people a fundamental right is "not that bad."

    Fail, much?
    - Logos385 July 31, 2012, 1:48 pm
    The law is the law bud.
    - Jjbigscreeners July 31, 2012, 2:49 pm

    Homosexuality occurs in nature. All that stuff is completely man made.
    - Jozzoh July 31, 2012, 7:57 pm
    Damn, I picked the wrong day to be a black, green eyed, red headed gay guy.
    - drakengard85 August 1, 2012, 6:51 am
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    I wish I could still eat Chick-fil-a. Closest one to my town is an hour and a half away ;_;

  • 1

    I just think it's unfair for a company or a person to get bashed for saying he or they are anti-gay.

    You're right, they should also be able to donate to the KKK and say that anyone who isn't white is going to hell. /sarcasm/
    - Ertrov July 30, 2012, 2:15 am
    Hate groups aren't socially accepted any more. It has been like this for a long time, not just with gay hate groups, but also with the New Black Panthers, KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, etc. It's just that right now there is enough gay hate that gay hate groups are semi-accepted still.
    - casper667 July 30, 2012, 5:56 am
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    Long story short, good for Chic-Fil-A.

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